Thursday, November 18, 2021

PAPA AND LUND NOV 18 2021



OFF THE TOP: 


-WARRIORS AND CAVS USED TO MEAN SOMETHING…..

-CURRY QUESTIONABLE, IGGY OUT…..

-MVP ANNOUNCED TODAY — WHY WHEELER TALK AFTER 10 YEARS — THE BELTRAN TRADE MADE SENSE FOR ONE FINAL TIME. 

CY TALK — BURNES AND ROBBIE RAY 


  
FOX Sports: MLB
⁦‪@MLBONFOX‬⁩
.⁦‪@JustinVerlander‬⁩'s deal with the Astros is 1-year, $25M with a player option for a second year, via ⁦‪@MarkBermanFox26‬⁩ 11/17/21, 2:48 PM 



-GIANTS CONNECTED WITH BIG NAMES (SEMIEN AND CASTEANOS 



-WORST LOSES—- FALCONS BACK TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME V PATS—- 


GUESTS: 


11 AM TIM RYAN 

-A WIN 
-DEBO 
-JIMMY LOVE 
-DEFENSE 
-DOGS/LEADERS
-STAYING UP FOR JAX 
INJURIES: MITCHELL
MAYBE BACK: TARTT / GREENLAW 
 

12:30 MARCUS THOMPSON 

-CAVS / WARRIORS USED TO MEAN SOMETHING 
-CURRY IN BROOLYN W THE CHANTS 
-KLAY 5 ON 5 
-WISEMAN 
-12-2 START 
-KUMINGA 

1 PM BOB MEYERS 


-KLAY 5/5 
-WISEMAN 
-12-2 START 
-CONTEND / DEVELOP AT SAME TIME 
-KUMINGA 
-GREEN POD - YOU LIKE ALL THIS TNT/PODCASTS ETC 
-WARRIORS BACK AS A MARQUE TEAM AND DRAW 
-CAVS-WARRIORS NOT THE SAME RING 


AND THE WARRIORS TOOK JAMES WISEMAN …..





1:20 CJ BETHARD —-

SOUND: 

-GREG COSELL ON JIMMY FROM MM 
-GREG COSELL ON DEBO FROM MM


TOPICS: 


1- WARRIORS 

A- CAVS - WARRIORS USED TO MEAN SOEMTHING - FUNNY HOW FAST THINGS GO…..

-WIN AND DEVELOP 

B- CURRY MIGHT TAKE A NIGHT OFF…. CAVS MISSING MOBELY — 


REACTIONS:


 
Anthony Slater
⁦‪@anthonyVslater‬⁩
Andre Iguodala gets the rest night tonight in Cleveland. He should return tomorrow in Detroit, per Kerr. 11/18/21, 8:36 AM


 
 
Anthony Slater
⁦‪@anthonyVslater‬⁩
Steph Curry is probable tonight, per Steve Kerr.
 
11/18/21, 8:33 AM
 
 


  
Anthony Slater
⁦‪@anthonyVslater‬⁩
Steph Curry is participating in shootaround in Cleveland right now. Officially listed as questionable with a hip contusion. Update on his status from Kerr expected soon. 11/18/21, 8:03 AM






2- 49ERS: 


NFL:

PATS AND FALCONS TONIGHT — ESPN HAS TOUGHEST LOSEST TO GET OVER: 

LOCAL TEAMS: 

San Francisco 49ers

San Francisco 49ers vs. New York Giants
Jan. 20, 1991, NFC Championship Game
Candlestick Park, San Francisco

Clinging to a one-point lead with under three minutes to play, running back Roger Craig coughed up a fumble that Lawrence Taylor recovered, and the Giants kicked their fifth field goal of the game as time expired to send the Niners home. The game was the unofficial end of the 49ers' late '80s dynasty, denying them a shot at their third straight Lombardi Trophy, and the beginning of the end of legendary quarterback Joe Montana's time with the team. Montana took a brutal hit from Giants defensive end Leonard Marshall that left him with a bruised sternum and stomach, cracked ribs and a broken hand that cost him the second half. Montana suffered an elbow injury the following August and played only one more half with the team before he was traded to the Kansas City Chiefs after the 1992 season. The Niners did not return to the Super Bowl until after the 1994 season. -- Nick Wagoner


I WOULD SAY BOTH SUPER BOWL LOSSES ARE WORSE …. 


Las Vegas Raiders

Oakland Raiders vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jan. 26, 2003, Super Bowl XXXVII
Qualcomm Stadium, San Diego

So many games from which to choose. Immaculate Reception? Tuck rule? Derek Carr's broken leg? Let's go with a game nearly two decades old, since the Raiders have been to the playoffs only once since. From All-Pro center Barret Robbins going AWOL to charges of sabotage to three pick-sixes from league MVP Rich Gannon to facing a former coach in Tampa Bay's Jon Gruden, who knew the Raiders better than they knew themselves. As former right tackle Lincoln Kennedy said, "There was only one coach on the planet who could have beaten us that day, and it was the [expletive] on the other sideline." The Raiders have not been the same since. -- Paul Gutierrez

I THINK THE DECEPTION AND TUCK RULE ARE WORSE…



RELEATED TO LOCAL TEAMS: 

New England Patriots

New England Patriots vs. Oakland Raiders
Dec. 18, 1976, AFC divisional round
Oakland Coliseum


The Patriotsled 21-17 with just over a minute to play and had the Raiders on the ropes, as Oakland faced third-and-18 from its own 28. When Ken Stabler's pass fell incomplete, the Patriots appeared to be one play away from closing things out -- but a questionable roughing the passer call from referee Ben Dreith on Ray "Sugar Bear" Hamilton instead gave the Raiders new life. Hamilton called it a "phantom bogus call." The Raiders went on to score with 10 seconds remaining and win 24-21. -- Mike Reiss



Cincinnati Bengals

San Francisco 49ers vs. Cincinnati Bengals
Jan. 22, 1989, Super Bowl XXIII
Joe Robbie Stadium, Miami

The Bengals, touchdown underdogs against one of the best dynasties in NFL history, needed to stop the 49ers one more time to win their first Super Bowl. Joe Montana had other plans. The quarterback led the 49ers on an 11-play, 92-yard drive capped by a 10-yard touchdown pass with 34 seconds left. The 49ers won 20-16 and the Bengals haven't been back to the Super Bowl. Montana was 8-of-9 passing on that drive. "To lose like that was the worst," Bengals quarterback Boomer Esiason said after the game, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. -- Ben Baby


New York Giants

New York Giants vs. San Francisco 49ers
Jan. 5, 2003, NFC wild-card round
3Com Park, San Francisco

Plenty of options for the Giants, with the Miracle at the Meadowlands and Miracle at the New Meadowlands, but the key word here is "heartbreaking." And nothing tops blowing a 24-point lead in a playoff game. That is what happened to the Jim Fassel-led Giants in the 2002 season. They led 38-14 late in the third quarter ... and lost! To have it end 39-38 on a bad snap by Trey Junkin on a potential winning field goal made it all the more heartbreaking. To have the NFL admit afterward that there should have been pass interference when holder Matt Allen picked up the ball and heaved it downfield to lineman Rich Seubert just added insult to heartbreak. -- Jordan Raanan




Green Bay Packers

Green Bay Packers vs. San Francisco 49ers
Jan. 3, 1999, NFC wild-card round
3com Park, San Francisco


Known as "The Catch II," it was the end of a potential Packers dynasty
They had come off two straight Super Bowls (a win and a loss) and seemed poised for a run at a third, when 49ers receiver Jerry Rice fumbled with less than 40 seconds to go. But the officials missed the fumble and without instant replay in the NFL at the time, San Francisco's drive continued. Steve Young then threaded a 25-yard touchdown pass to Terrell Owens with 8 seconds left -- reminiscent of "The Catch," hence "The Catch II" -- to knock out the Packers, who wouldn't get to another Super Bowl for another 12 years. Not coincidentally, the NFL brought back instant replay for the following season. -- Rob Demovsky



THE WORST 5 TO ME: 

Buffalo Bills

New York Giants vs. Buffalo Bills
Jan. 27, 1991, Super Bowl XXV
Tampa Stadium

"Wide right" is still a phrase that Bills fans don't like to hear after kicker Scott Norwood's missed 47-yard field goal attempt in Super Bowl XXV with eight seconds remaining in the game. The missed kick resulted in the Bills losing that game, which ended up being the first of four straight Super Bowl losses. This contest was the closest the Bills got to coming away with a title during that stretch, making it that much more heartbreaking. Buffalo has been working to get back to the big game ever since those losses. -- Alaina Getzenberg




Cleveland Browns

Cleveland Browns vs. Denver Broncos
Jan. 11, 1987, AFC Championship Game
Cleveland Municipal Stadium

In Cleveland, it's still referred to as "The Drive." The Browns held a 20-13 lead and seemed destined to go to their first Super Bowl. Denver had the ball at its own 2-yard line with 5:32 to play in the game. But that's when John Elway methodically guided the Broncos down the field. Then, in the waning seconds, he found Mark Jackson for a game-tying, 5-yard touchdown. The Broncos went on to win in overtime. Compounding the heartbreak, the following year, Cleveland's season again ended in the AFC Championship Game to Denver. This time because of "The Fumble," as Earnest Byner's turnover in front of the Denver goal line late in the fourth quarter kept the Browns out of the Super Bowl. -- Jake Trotter



Seattle Seahawks

Seattle Seahawks vs. New England Patriots
Feb. 1, 2015, Super Bowl XLIX
State Farm Stadium, Glendale, AZ

What else could it be? Yes, the Seahawks lost another Super Bowl in painful fashion nine years earlier against Pittsburgh, when they were on the wrong end of some baffling officiating decisions and played their worst game of the season. But coming up a yard short of toppling Tom Brady and the Patriots in Super Bowl XLIX is impossible to top on the heartbreak scale. It wasn't just that they were so close to pulling off a rare repeat before Russell Wilson was intercepted by Malcolm Butler on a questionable passing play at the goal line. Losing that game, in that fashion altered the chemistry in their locker room in a bad way. They haven't gotten past the divisional round of the playoffs since. -- Brady Henderson




Minnesota Vikings

Atlanta Falcons vs. Minnesota Vikings
Jan. 17, 1999, NFC Championship Game
Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome, Minneapolis

The Vikings have lost all four Super Bowls they've appeared in, but no loss is as widely referenced and invokes as much pain among fans as the 1998 NFC Championship Game between Minnesota and Atlanta. That season featured Randy Moss' record-setting rookie campaign, while Denny Green was named Coach of the Year after leading the Vikings to a 15-1 record. Kicker Gary Anderson had not missed a kick all season, having gone 35-for-35 on field goals and 59-for-59 on extra-point attempts in the regular season. With the Vikings up 27-20 with two minutes left, Anderson lined up to kick a 38-yard field goal that would have secured a Minnesota win, but the kick went wide left, Atlanta scored a touchdown to push the game into overtime, and Atlanta won on a field goal to advance to the Super Bowl. -- Courtney Cronin



Atlanta Falcons

Atlanta Falcons vs. New England Patriots
Feb. 5, 2017, Super Bowl LI
NRG Stadium, Houston


28-3. That's probably all that needs to really be said here when you're talking about heartbreaking losses. The Falcons' 34-28 Super Bowl loss to the Patriots is the heartbreaker of all heartbreakers -- still brought up years later. Atlanta led 28-3 in the middle of the third quarter, close to its first-ever Super Bowl win. Then New England scored 25 straight points to tie the game and send it into overtime, when the Patriots won the toss, scored a touchdown and won the Super Bowl. It's a loss that has hung over the fan base -- if not the actual Falcons, too -- for the rest of former head coach Dan Quinn's tenure with the club. -- Michael Rothstein


HONORABLE MENTIONS: 


Tennessee Titans

Tennessee Titans vs. St. Louis Rams
Jan. 30, 2000, Super Bowl XXXIV
Georgia Dome, Atlanta

The Titans entered halftime down 9-0 after holding the high-octane Rams offense to three field goals. The Rams scored their first touchdown in the third quarter to take a 16-0 lead, but then Tennessee scored 16 unanswered points to tie the score. It was the first time in Super Bowl history that a team had overcome such a large deficit. Rams QB Kurt Warner found WR Isaac Bruce for a 73-yard touchdown pass to regain the lead. The Titans then drove to the St. Louis 10-yard line with six seconds remaining. Rams LB Mike Jones tackled Tennessee WR Kevin Dyson one yard short of the goal line to prevent a potential game-tying touchdown on the final play. -- Turron Davenport


New Orleans Saints

Los Angeles Rams at New Orleans Saints
Jan. 20, 2019, NFC Championship Game
Superdome, New Orleans

Unfortunately, you can take your pick among seven gut-wrenching playoff exits over the past 11 years (including the Minneapolis Miracle, the Beast Quake and a last-second loss at San Francisco for a 2011 team that might have been the Saints' best ever). But none was more heartbreaking or horrifying than the infamous "no call" in the 2018 NFC Championship Game, when officials missed an obvious pass interference flag that would have sent Drew Brees and the Saints to their second Super Bowl appearance. Instead, they wound up squandering an early 13-0 lead and lost in overtime. -- Mike Triplett



3- GIANTS: 

-AFTER SOME BIG NAMES: 


  
Jon Morosi
⁦‪@jonmorosi‬⁩
Superstar outfielder Seiya Suzuki will be posted to ⁦‪@MLB‬⁩teams next week by the Hiroshima Toyo Carp, source confirms. ⁦‪@MLBNetwork‬⁩ 11/17/21, 5:00 PM

SCOUTING REPORT—. HES 27 


https://www.prospectslive.com/prospects-live/2021/10/22/seiya-suzuki-a-deep-dive-on-the-next-big-thing-out-of-japan






  
Jon Morosi
⁦‪@jonmorosi‬⁩
Free agent Nick Castellanos is drawing interest from the 
#Marlins and #SFGiants, among others, as I reported a short time ago on ⁦‪@MLBNetwork‬⁩. Castellanos, 29, is a graduate of Archbishop McCarthy High School in Southwest Ranches, Fla., about 25 miles from LoanDepot Park. ⁦‪@MLB‬⁩ 



  
Jon Heyman
⁦‪@JonHeyman‬⁩
Starling Marte market is very hot, so he could be that rare star player who signs a big multiyear deal in November, as I just said on Hot Stove. Phillies, Yankees, Mets, Astros, Rangers, Marlins, many others in. ⁦‪@MLBNetwork‬⁩ 11/18/21, 8:34 AM 



-MVP TODAY: NO PLAYOFF GUYS 


-CY YOUNG:

-ROBBIE RAY 
-CORBIN BURNES FOLLOWED BY ZACK WHEELER 





OTHER:





-CJ BETHARD - TBA - 

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